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CLEVELAND, Ohio — A decade ago, only one city in Cuyahoga County was permitted by the state to use sharpshooters to kill deer, and now the number is up to 12.
We’re talking about deer culling vs. sterilization on Today in Ohio.
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Here are the questions we’re answering today:
How many Cuyahoga County suburbs are killing deer these days to abate what some see as a nuisance?
Now that we’ve had a couple of months to think about it, what are the long-term ramifications of putting party affiliations on the ballot for Ohio Supreme Court races?
Opening statements come today in the trial of former Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder. Whose testimony do we most anticipate?
A track coach at Maple Heights High School is the official Ultimate Guy 2023 for Men’s Health Magazine. Who is he?
Do we have a Netflix series in the making in a lawsuit filed by one heiress against another heiress to the Covelli family fortune in Youngstown? The suit is filled with rather colorful language. What’s at stake?
What does our Saving You Money columnist Sean McDonnell make of the many, many, many promotions offering what sounds like gambling without risk?
Who is the new head of University Circle Inc., and where does she come from?
Now that Parma has been humiliated nationally for wrongfully prosecuting a resident who created a fake Facebook page that pillories the police department, how are Parma lawyers doing a dance to get the U.S. Supreme Court to reject the resident’s lawsuit for damages?
The polarization of America has spurred a series of people to do dumb things, and one is a Cleveland man who threatened to kill Nancy Pelosi. What is happening with his case?
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[00:00:00] Chris: Well, the forecasters didn’t see it coming until the last minute, but Laura finally got her snowfall in January. Genuine Pable snow that you could play in. I’m sure she will. Tell us how much fun she had. It’s today in Ohio, the news podcast discussion from and the plane dealer. I’m Chris Quinn.
I’m here with Laura, as well as Lisa Garvin and Layla Tasi and Laura, were you overjoyed by the beautiful.
[00:00:27] Laura: I was, it was so fun. Even my 12 year old who like would rather be playing video games than just about anything else was like, I’m gonna go play outside. I was like, okay, let’s all go play outside . So we put on the snow pants, we made a snowman, we had a snowball fight.
The dog was super happy. There was sledding involved. I mean, it was just, it was the perfect snow because it wasn’t super cold and it was packing snow and then it stuck to all the trees. So it was incredibly beautiful. And then it wasn’t like the roads. awful in my side of town. So a plus [00:01:00] snowfall
[00:01:00] Chris: is, this isn’t the kind of snow you want for skiing though, right?
Because it’s so packable it turns into ice. You like powder for that?
[00:01:08] Laura: Well, I mean, I think that’d be great, but at this point they will take any kind of snow. , I, I did not ski yesterday. I skied Saturday. Um, and there’s still enough snow you can ski at Boston Mills. So, Um, no complaints there.
[00:01:21] Chris: All right, let’s begin.
How many Cuyahoga County suburbs are killing deer these days to abate what some see as a nuisance? Laura Pete Kraus did a census of the community’s doing it. This is really expanded since the days when Solan was so controversial with sharp
[00:01:38] Laura: shooters. Right. There are a dozen now, plus the national park and the Metro parks, and that’s what got us started on this story.
Looking into it, I got a text from my town saying the Metro Parks would be closing areas while they killed deer in the Rocky River Reservation. But this is actually much less controversial than when I started editing communities in 2013, a decade ago. It was just [00:02:00] Solan and I remember, and Lindhurst started doing it was, mm-hmm.
it was huge. Uh, meetings, public meetings, and people out in arms, and now it’s pretty much. Understood. More so on the east side, even than the west side, but it’s Shaker Heights and Beachwood. They’re working together. South Euclid Bay Village, Highland Heights, Richmond Heights, Lindhurst, north Olmstead, Bedford Westlake, and Parma Heights.
And, uh, while some people we had this discussion in the newsroom would like to sterilize deer, that has proved less efficient, more expensive, and really not solving the problem long.
[00:02:35] Chris: Yeah, I know that you want the deer outta your yard, but I, I just don’t feel like people are examining this. We have pushed the deer out of their natural habitat.
They have smartly adapted to living among us in the suburbs, and now we’re hiring sharp shooters to kill ‘em. It just seems like that’s the wrong way to go. But, but they have,
[00:02:53] Lisa: go ahead. They have no natural predators. Lindhurst. The last deer census in 2021, there were [00:03:00] 73 deer per square. 73 and the census they did the year before that, it was 72 deer per square mile, so it just got worse.
[00:03:11] Chris: I, I know I’m in the minority in this podcast cuz I kinda like seeing ‘em on the street, but I, it’s just the sharp shooters in the neighborhood. These are densely packed neighborhoods that doesn’t give you pause,
[00:03:23] Lisa: Lisa. Well actually there was a Facebook post on the Lindhurst group page. There was like a bloody patch in somebody’s backyard and some drag marks.
They never saw the carcass, but it obviously it was a deer. maybe didn’t get a fatal shot and they had to chase it into somebody’s yard. So yeah, everybody freaked out about.
[00:03:42] Laura: I think for the most part this is really safe. These are professionals. You’re not just like letting some rando with a gun or a bow come, he hunt in your backyard and for the most part, people don’t even know it’s happening.
I think PE tuck to some places where some places put up signs, others don’t because they actually don’t [00:04:00] want to attract the tension that would be even more dangerous. Uh, they do give the food either the ven. Food banks. I understand what you’re, you’re saying, Chris, I’m not in favor of just like mass killing of animals, but it does seem that there are too many deer.
And like Lisa said, there are no natural predators. We’re not having, you know, mountain lions hunt them and. I get that they’ve learned to survive, but they’ve learned to survive by eating everybody’s plants, .
[00:04:27] Chris: Yeah, I know. But we’re the ones that squeeze them outta where they live. You know? I, but
[00:04:30] Laura: there’s more of them than there used to be, right?
Mm-hmm. . I mean, it’s not just squeezing them out, it’s ju it’s a greater population because they don’t have the natural predators and we used to kill them for food. When, you know, back in the pioneer.
[00:04:43] Chris: So let me ask this regularly on Facebook, people post, Hey, I think I just heard gunshots outside and we’ve all chocolate up to gun violence.
But it could be deer sharp shooters and we just don’t
[00:04:53] Laura: know. I don’t know if they use silencers or not. That’s a good question on
[00:04:57] Lisa: a rifle. I don’t know. ,
[00:04:59] Laura: can [00:05:00] you know personally, I, I just wanna say, so I live in Bay Village where we have, I think a love-hate relationship with the deer. I mean, they’re beautiful.
This morning I looked out with all the snow and was like, oh, beautiful deer. And then six months from now I’ll be cursing them when they’re eating my house. Does, but I feel like they need to experiment a little bit more with the immuno contraception. I, I was just kind of dissatisfied by seeing the, you know, the line of the story that Cleveland Metro Parks investigated, the use of it from 2001 to 2006 and then abandoned it.
A, a deer’s lifespan is like 20 years or something like that. You have to kind of. You know, observe the long-term effect of it. How do you know if it’s working or not? We, we’ve only, you know, looked at it for five years. Well, what’s interesting is I didn’t realize the immuno contraception only lasts for two or three years, so you gotta keep hitting these deers every, every couple of years.
But what’s interesting is South Euclid is the only one experimenting with sterilization at this point. Mm-hmm. . So what they do is they like [00:06:00] shoot the deer with a, you know, tranquilizer, put ‘em in the back of a truck, take them to their city service garage. Sterilize them and then take them back. Like, this is a labor intensive process.
I, it’s not like you can just shoot a dart and like you’re done. Yeah. So, um, they have to be stitched back up and everything. So an tag, um, and tagged so, but what is really clear, Lela, is that you can’t just like have Bay Village doing it and not Rocky River. Right. These deer are not like, oh, can’t go into that town.
I’m supposed to stay here. If you don’t have a coordinated effort, I don’t know that we’re ever gonna really see a difference. Mm-hmm. , Leila, are you
[00:06:36] Chris: sure about that lifespan? I thought the lifespan was like six years. I, I’m
[00:06:40] Laura: telling you, we have one deer in our neighborhood that is the mascot of this neighborhood.
She has three legs, and she’s been here the entire time. We’ve been here almost 11 years, and she, she’s, she predates us. So you gotta tell everybody what that deer’s name is. Peggy , . Everyone in our neighborhood knows Peggy, and she [00:07:00] has so many offspring because I suspect she can’t really get away from the bucks.
But , she can’t escape them very quickly. Well, according to the. Uh, wildlife Illinois, the average lifespan is five and a half years for a female, two and a half year for a male, but the oldest male was nine. And in a study the oldest woman or woman, female was 18. So obviously that’s just one study, but I guess they don’t live as long as I thought.
[00:07:26] Chris: All right. Well, I do believe Lisa and Layla, we will have an editorial board round table about this this week. Mm-hmm. , so you’ll be able to vent some more. It’s today in Ohio. Now that we’ve had a couple of months to think about it, what are the long-term ramifications of putting party affiliations on the ballot for Ohio Supreme Court Races?
Lisa Laura Hancock did a deep dive on this one.
[00:07:50] Lisa: I have to love the quote from former Ohio Democratic Party chair, David Pepper. He says The days of Irish surnames. Over, and he’s probably right about that. [00:08:00] Also, name recognition and probably won’t mean as much now that, uh, party affiliations have appeared on the ballot for Supreme Court races.
So, and it was an interesting, the number of people who voted in Supreme Court races back in November nearly matched the total number of votes cast. So we had 4.2 million votes cast overall in. 4.1 million of them had Supreme Court votes on the ballot. This hasn’t happened since 2010 and possibly never in Ohio Supreme Court races, which are usually way down at the bottom of the ballot, and this time with the party affiliation, these races were removed higher up on the ballot, and that may have had a difference as well.
So tip right now, Ohio. Trends, 54% Republican and 46% Democrat. That’s been since about 2012. In the November election, it seemed like the results mirrored the actual party proportionality in in Ohio. Uh, Republican, [00:09:00] uh, race Republican Supreme Court candidates got 56, 50 7% of the vote. Democrats got 43 and 44%.
So that kind of mirrors, you know, our, our statewide voting patterns
[00:09:12] Chris: and Democrats really. Opposed putting the party affiliations on because they suspected this would happen. But it seemed like a false way to go. If, if people want that information, we should give ‘em the information. If they wanna vote the party line, they have the right to do that.
So I’d never quite understood the opposition to it. What’s odd is though, it’s just for the Supreme Court, right? Regular judges, we still don’t see party. That
[00:09:39] Lisa: is correct. And they are also way down the ballot where they have been, you know, before. And of course republicans have the most to gain with the, the party on the ballot.
They said they wanted to do this cuz they wanted to increase voter participation and that actually did happen. But, uh, executive director of Common Cause Ohio, Catherine Tesser says, you know, we really want our [00:10:00] judges to be impartial. And she said, quote, putting a label on the ballot seems a bridge too far.
But she was glad that these very critical race. Have been moved up on the ballot.
[00:10:10] Laura: But thank you. I gotta agree with Katherine Tesser there. Like I don’t want a judge that just votes a party line. Like I want a judge that looks at the case and knows the law and makes the best decision. But, but this is
[00:10:21] Chris: Ohio.
But they do run in parties and if I know the voters wanna know what. Party they’re in. Why should you deny it? We’re the transparency people we’re supposed to advocate for transparency. I what? What’s worse Voting by Irish and Italian names or voting by party. It’s neither and neither case are they investigating who the candidates are and what they might do.
They’re just voting
[00:10:44] Laura: for the the party. Because we should remind everybody about judge for yourself, right where you. Get a little bit impartial information about judges on your ballots.
[00:10:53] Chris: It’s today in Ohio. Opening statements come today in the trial of former Ohio House speaker [00:11:00] Larry Householder, Layla, whose testimony do we most
[00:11:03] Laura: anticipate?
Yeah, they’ve, they’ve seated the jury, they’re ready to roll. Andrew Tobias, uh, tells us that the potential witnesses could include a who’s who of notable figures in Columbus government and, and lobbying circles, attorney General Dave Yost, and two former state lawmakers. Dave Greenspan of Westlake and Kyle Kohler of Springfield have both said that they expect to be called to the stand and federal prosecutors also said that they will call two co-defendants as witnesses.
Jeff Longstreth, who was householders former. Top political aid and, and Juan edis, another Columbus lobbyist In October of 2020, both of these guys pleaded guilty to one count of racketeering. Longstreth was, uh, a political strategist for householder running campaigns for a slate of candidates that would vote householder a speaker.
And according to the prosecution, he controlled the bank accounts that sent and received first Energy’s money. [00:12:00] Prosecutors say he earned more than 5 million in his role. K Speedy’s worked as a lobbyist and and lead consultant for First Energy Solutions on HB six, tracking householders slate of candidates, and he allegedly received $600,000 from accounts controlled by the conspirators and $227,000 from First Energy.
So opening statements will likely be underway by the time this podcast is published. And reporter Jake Zuckerman was following jury selection on Friday, and I just love the story that he wrote Detailing. The questions that both sets of lawyers asked, the prospective jurors and which ones were struck from the panel.
It’s a great peak behind the curtain. For anyone who’s fascinated by this case,
[00:12:42] Chris: it’ll be interesting to see whether Larry household or himself takes the stand.
[00:12:46] Laura: I was think I was wondering that myself. I mean, once it got to lose, burn it all, man, get
[00:12:52] Chris: out there. lawyers often tried to dissuade people from doing that, but he’s kind of full of juice.
[00:13:00] He may decide I’m doing it anyway. I’ll win over the jurors myself. Didn’t work with his colleagues in the legislature when he tried to get them, not to kick him out, but. Uh, might work with the jury. Fun stuff. We’ll have a couple of people down there on days like today where we think a lot will happen with a lot of updates through the day.
On the more technical parts, it’ll just be Jake. It’s today in Ohio. A track coach at Maple Heights High School is the official ultimate guy. 2 0 23 for Men’s Health Magazine. He’s on the cover. Laura, who.
[00:13:34] Laura: Yeah, I love this title. Not, not Man of the Year, but Ultimate Guy. His name is Corwin Collier. He’s an army veteran, a 41 year old partial amputee who lives Insto.
And he, uh, coaches track at Maple Heights, his alma mater, and he is on the January, February cover of Men’s Health. So, He has survived a lot of adversity in his life. In 2009 in Iraq, a bomb exploded under the patrol truck he was in. [00:14:00] He was in the National Guard. He was pinned and, uh, it, it hit, hit his right leg and mangled his right hand.
He went into cardiac arrest. He spent 10 months in the hospital, lost the fingers on his right hand. Much of his right leg, and he had used to define himself based on his athletic skills. He was an all-American college athlete, but he ended up losing 70 pounds while he was in the hospital and he was an amputee.
So he had to rethink the role that fitness played in his life and his definition of being a man. He also had to overcome. Depression. He started his master’s in education and a couple years later he came in the first wounded or partial amputee veteran to have played obtain a pro card with the International Federation of Body Building and Fitness.
So I mean, that’s quite an accomplishment.
[00:14:44] Chris: Yeah, it, it, it was just neat that it was a, a local guy that, I mean, we don’t get to see a lot of national role models in Cleveland than it was just great to to see it. It’s on the February cover, right? So it’s this month. Yeah. People will see him. [00:15:00]
[00:15:00] Laura: It should be in there for, uh, you know, if you’re going to the new stand, you’ll see him.
He’s a father of three. Malachi is 18 cor, one 15, and Aaron 11. So, I mean, think about that. He’s doing all of this while he’s raising three kids with his wife and the editor. Richard Dormant said in a news release that he’s pretty much everything they’re trying to do at Men’s Health every single day get people to push themselves mentally and physically so they can be the best version of themselves.
There’s nobody we talk to across America who better exemplifies that than this guy. So he is a guy, the ultimate
[00:15:32] Lisa: guy, and I love the quote that ended the story from this guy. You get a mind, a body, and a lifetime. What you do with the first two determines the last one. Oh, that
[00:15:43] Laura: is great.
[00:15:44] Chris: Yeah, we’re hoping we’ll get a chance to sit down and talk to him.
We base the story mostly on the article, but, uh, I hope we get to follow up. It is today in Ohio. Do we have a Netflix series in the making In a lawsuit filed by one Aris [00:16:00] against another Aris to the Covelli Family Fortune in Youngstown. Lisa, you get the most fascinating gossipy story of the day, what’s going on.
[00:16:09] Lisa: Yeah, I’m already hearing, you know, the lifetime script being written in my head for this. So, Arthur Covelli of Youngstown, he’s the former owner of, uh, one of the largest McDonald’s franchises in the country. He died back in 2014 and he set up a trust fund her for his daughter Annette Ford, who now lives in Florida.
And his granddaughter Ford’s daughter, Lauren Devo. Well, Lauren Devo filed a federal lawsuit against her mom and a co-trustee Cleveland attorney Jennifer Savage. They, he. Seeking their removal as trustees and she wants to get the full amount of the trust awarded to her in a lump sum. It’s currently worth about $375,000 a year.
That’s what she’s getting in, uh, you know, monthly payments and devoe accuses her mother of changing the trust, Albert. After Albert Covelli died cuz she thought [00:17:00] she was gonna get a lump sum at 35, but it was changed to weekly payments. And she said this is her vengeful mother getting back at her for leaving her husband Chris and taking up with another man while she was married.
So, um, this affair happened in 2020. She separated from her husband. The next year they have six kids together and so she and the new boyfriend put a contract on a home in Needham. and they wanted the trust for a down payment on this home. Well, they were refused. And she says that her mother was being vengeful, disapproved of her boyfriend.
And Go
[00:17:36] Chris: ahead. Well, and the, I I’m hoping you have the quotes at hand of what she says the mother sent to her. Yes. A mother to her
[00:17:44] Lisa: daughter. Yes. On May 14th, she texted her daughter and said, you are dead to me. I hope Chris, her husband, takes you to the cleaners. The whole family is on his side, and then neither of you better mess with me.[00:18:00]
[00:18:00] Chris: Yeah, I, I, it gets back, I don’t know what happened there, but it’s one of those where if you have a sip of wine, don’t write text messages. They will come back to haunt you. I can’t believe you’d write that to your own child. But yeah, this is a wild one. It’s today in Ohio. What does our Saving You Money columnist Sean McDonnell make of the many, many, many promotions offering what sounds like gambling without risk.
Layla sports gambling is now ubiquitous everywhere you go, including in our platforms, you’re seeing advertisements for it. What does Sean say about all these, these companies that basically make it sound like you can gamble without. Yeah,
[00:18:39] Laura: he does a really good job of breaking down exactly what these promotions are trying to hook you on.
He says that many of them involve bonus bets or some sort of betting credits. They aren’t real cash. You can’t withdraw them from your account. You need to place bets and win to turn this credit into real money, and in most cases, when you use your bonus, bet you. You only keep the [00:19:00] winnings, you won’t keep the credits that you gambled with.
So for example, if you won 50 bucks when you were betting with cash, you keep that full amount and the amount you won. But with a bonus bet you keep only your winnings and you lose the credit. So he tells us that there are a few variations on that model. One of them is bet and gets you. You place a bet and in return you get betting credit.
For example, bet five bucks in real money. And whether you win or lose, you would get, for example, $200 in betting credits and then there are deposit bonuses. You deposit real money a hundred dollars, for example, and get a hundred dollars of extra betting credits. So, You’ve theoretically doubled the money that you have to gamble with, and there are many variations of rules that go along with this and how you can use your bonus bets.
Some betting apps require a certain number of bets before you can unlock your bonuses. And then there are bonus bets. These are the ones sometimes wrongly, called risk free bets. [00:20:00] You betta set amount of money, a hundred dollars. For example, if you win, cool. But if you lose, you get a hundred dollars in betting credits so you get a second chance and that sounds good.
But Sean shared the story of how this blew up in one better’s face this, this guy bet 500 bucks and lost it, but then got $500 credits. So he used it to place a bunch of $25 bets with really good odds, and on a normal $25 bet, if he won, he would end up with $33 33 cents. That’s $25 plus the winnings, but with a bonus bet.
He’d only get back $8 and 33 cents because you lose the credit. He didn’t know that he only got to keep the winnings when betting with credits, and in the long run he ended up losing money and that’s why that whole risk free promotion is a bunch of garbage. And Sean ended up using. The bet and get model to place his experimental bet for this, for this story.
And he did end up [00:21:00] winning a hundred bucks of real money. He withdrew it immediately to stave off the temptation to keep wager. But the bottom line of his story is, you know, do your homework before you jump into sports Betting. Being a sports fan is not the same as being good at sports gambling and practice with fake money before you wager your real money.
Apparently there are apps where you can actually wager with tokens instead of cash. I really found this story to be very instructive, cuz I don’t know anything about this industry and, and, uh, you did a good job breaking it
[00:21:30] Chris: down. Yeah. We should point out that it is actually illegal in Ohio to advertise risk-free gambling.
So they mm-hmm. , they advertise, it is no sweat gambling or something. The, the, from their standpoint, what they’re trying to do is get people like you who have no idea how to gamble on sports, to do it with, with as little of your own money in at first as possible. But it is you. It can be misleading, and that’s why his story was so important.
What I do wonder is [00:22:00] E, every one of these things has a disclaimer. Everything on our site has a disclaimer. If you have any kind of issue, call these numbers and you can get gambling counseling. But this is the first time ever that. You can sit in your house and gamble from your iPhone. In the past, you would have to go proactively, go buy a lottery ticket, go to the bar and play keno, and now you can just sit with the betting device in your lap no matter where you are.
And I wonder what this does to problem gambling. . Mm-hmm. . Well,
[00:22:32] Laura: and I also wonder what is, I’ve always wondered what that hotline actually is, if you call, what kind of service is there for you? We should, we should look
[00:22:41] Lisa: at that,
[00:22:42] Chris: right? Yeah. Well, we need to look at it. And then once this has been in place for a little while, try and assess how much the.
The problem gambling has increased. There are probably people that have no idea that they can easily become addicted, who might take advantage of these offers. And unlike Sean, not [00:23:00] pull their money out, but go ahead and recycle and recycle, and then they can lose everything. It’s a, it’s a very interesting time in Ohio.
Uh, a lot of unknowns as yet. Ohio very quickly became one of. The highest ranked states for sports betting when it turned on the spigot on January 1st, I should disclose, as we always do, we have a partnership with a sports betting firm and is providing some revenue by advertising to our audience. It’s today in Ohio.
Who is the new head of University Circle Incorporated, and where does she come from?
[00:23:35] Laura: Kate Borders. She’s a nationally recognized leader in urban development, and she is from Tempe, Arizona. She’s gonna replace interim president Gary Hansen. He’s the former executive director of the Cleveland Orchestra.
Obviously he’s been in interim since longtime president. Chris Roan stepped down to run for Cuyahoga County executive that was in, uh, October, 2021, so he’s been filling in for quite a while. But [00:24:00] Borders actually has some Midwestern ties. She’s served as the president of, sorry. Got a bachelor’s degree from the University of Arizona, master of Arts Administration from Columbia Co College in Chicago, and she has worked for both the.
uh, east Town Association in Milwaukee and the Peoria Art Guild in Illinois. So at least Cleveland is bigger than Peoria , but she’s, she’s been well regarded for the work that she’s been able to do, so it’s gonna be some fresh perspective. She starts June
[00:24:31] Chris: 12th. I think it’s interesting they waited this long to do it.
I wonder if they kept it open just in case Chris Romaine lost his bid for county executive and they’d bring him back.
[00:24:42] Laura: That is a really good question. I don’t think they would probably say that on the record, but yeah, they kept it all. If, if Weingart had won, then I guess he would’ve needed a. I
[00:24:53] Chris: am curious about what has happened in Tempe during her period there, and if they’ve had the [00:25:00] similar kind of success University Circle has had since the, under Chris Ronna and Tempe.
Arizona is not one of the, the big, the bigger cities you talk about in Arizona, Phoenix, and Tucson. So I’m curious about what’s
[00:25:13] Laura: going on there. , I guess she worked with the city leaders, the merchants, property owners, and Arizona State University to, uh, spur renewal in the city’s downtown. So university.
University Circle. I don’t know. I mean, obviously she’s not in charge of the entire city in Cleveland. She’s in a very specific, very successful area with a lot of growth between the hospitals and the university. So I mean, her and a lot of arts institutions, right, all the museums. So what she’s done in the past seems to mesh well with what.
You know, focuses in University Circle. Well,
[00:25:49] Chris: she’s also will be in charge of a police department that has a record of discriminating where it gives way more tickets to black people than it does to white people. And she doesn’t have any [00:26:00] experience with running a police department. Yeah, that’s going to be an interesting challenge for her,
[00:26:04] Laura: ho.
Hopefully she will hire or work with some smart people who will give her the run. .
[00:26:10] Chris: It’s today in Ohio, now that Parma has been humiliated nationally for wrongfully prosecuting a resident who created a fake Facebook page that hilliary the police department. How are the Parmer lawyers doing the dance to get the US Supreme Court to reject?
The resident’s lawsuit for damages for their prosecution of them. Lisa, this is a case that the Onion has, has put in a, uh, an amicus brief to, to talk about the value of satire. It’s a big national story. What is Parma doing to get out of it? And
[00:26:42] Lisa: it’s going all the way to the US Supreme Court. And as a matter of fact, the Supreme Court is gonna consider whether they’re gonna take this case of Parmer resident Andrew Novak.
He was arrested and prosecuted by Parma P PD back in 2016. He created a Parma Police Department Facebook [00:27:00] page, a fake one where he just basically skewered the department and the people who worked there, but Parma attorneys in a filing to the Supreme Court said, It’s a, this is a textbook case of qualified immunity.
This allows government officials like police to avoid being sued for violating rights while on the job. But Ohio Law allows litigation to proceed if the actions are considered outside the scope of their duties or if they acted in malice. So Nova’s Facebook page was up less than 24 hours back in 2016.
He had fewer than a hundred followers before it was taken down. Several people called 9 1 1. It. He was arrested. He spent four days in jail. He went to trial, but he was later acquitted. So he filed a lawsuit, um, that failed, and his attorneys have urged the Supreme Court of the United States to consider the case, which is what they’re going to do, and they could make their decision about whether to take it up as early as middle of next month.[00:28:00]
[00:28:01] Chris: What is it with police departments in northeast Ohio? We got this ridiculous action, and now in Beachwood we have the city filing a lawsuit, trying to figure out who has been criticizing a police chief, which a former law director of Cleveland says is flat out of violation of the First Amendment. We need to do more exploration.
I just don’t get it. I mean, you’re allowed to criticize government. You’re allowed to have Facebook pages that pillar the leaders and. What authoritarian governments do to try and stop criticism. It’s such a bad look
[00:28:34] Lisa: for Parma. Yeah, and you know, Novavax attorney is Patrick Giacomo. He’s with the Institute for Justice, and as you said, several national groups and people have come to Novavax Aid on this and Giacomo is saying the qualified immunity argument is ridiculous.
He said they’re completely ignoring the First Amendment in this.
[00:28:53] Chris: It is ridiculous. Yeah. You can’t, you can’t abuse people this way. I, I, I, it’ll be [00:29:00] interesting to see whether this Supreme Court agrees or whether this Supreme Court, more or less believes an authoritarian government. But what Parma did here was completely out of line.
And is anybody holding the, the elected leaders accountable for that? Has there ever been an apology? Has there ever been an admission that they went way beyond what they should have been, what they should have? I don’t think so. Sounds
[00:29:22] Lisa: like they’re doubling down actually.
[00:29:25] Chris: Yeah, like they are in Beachwood, two suburbs on either side of town where the police are basically trying to abuse the citizenry.
Not a good luck. It’s today in Ohio. That does it for the Monday episode. Thanks Lisa. Thanks Layla. Thanks Laura. Thanks to everybody who listens. We’ll be back Tuesday talking about the news.
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